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Struggling Adventist.
Struggling Adventist.
Dear Struggling Adventist:
You have answered your own question very clearly. You
said that you gave that web site info to a friend, and
then he left the church as a result of the information.
Satan is so subtle when he places these wolves at
these web sites with just enough junk about the
Adventist church to cause some doubts.
I noticed that you are even saying that sister White said
that the General conference was corrupt. She did not
say that! She points out that people are just fallible
humans and they make mistakes, but when we have
many faithful praying believers making decisions, then
we are safe.
As you have read her writings, you know that many
were against her in her days and she faced fierce
opposition by many of our leaders, including GC
presidents. But that does not disqualify her from her
being a prophet. She saved the church from major
crises on many occasions.
I would suggest you quit digging in the web sites
garbage cans for tainted bread that is contaminated,
and avoid the exit of apostasy! Many people that used
to try to see what the opposition taught, in order to
defend the truth, have left the church.
I hope this will help you see the truths we still have the
opposition around us.
May God Bless You
Your Brother in Christ
Pastor Ron Bottsford
You have answered your own question very clearly. You
said that you gave that web site info to a friend, and
then he left the church as a result of the information.
Satan is so subtle when he places these wolves at
these web sites with just enough junk about the
Adventist church to cause some doubts.
I noticed that you are even saying that sister White said
that the General conference was corrupt. She did not
say that! She points out that people are just fallible
humans and they make mistakes, but when we have
many faithful praying believers making decisions, then
we are safe.
As you have read her writings, you know that many
were against her in her days and she faced fierce
opposition by many of our leaders, including GC
presidents. But that does not disqualify her from her
being a prophet. She saved the church from major
crises on many occasions.
I would suggest you quit digging in the web sites
garbage cans for tainted bread that is contaminated,
and avoid the exit of apostasy! Many people that used
to try to see what the opposition taught, in order to
defend the truth, have left the church.
I hope this will help you see the truths we still have the
opposition around us.
May God Bless You
Your Brother in Christ
Pastor Ron Bottsford
Email #1
Greetings Struggling Adventist:
Thanks for your e-mail, I can understand your desire
for truth, as well as not being deceived by any church
or institution. In reference to the Seventh-day
Adventist church, there are leaders and even entire
churches that have and are acting out of harmony to
the message given to us by God through His Word
and by the Spirit of Prophecy. However, I firmly
believe that the Seventh-day Adventist church is still
the remnant church of Bible prophecy. Why do I say
that? Because the foundational doctrines of the
Seventh-day Adventist church are still solidly
founded upon the Bible and even though individuals,
pastors, and conference leaders might do contrary,
the doctrinal beliefs of this church are solid. We are
not Seventh-day Adventists because of what an
individual, conference or pastor says or does, but we
are Seventh-day Adventists because we stand in
agreement with the foundational principles of the
world church.
My encouragement to you is to place your
confidence not in the church but in Christ. Recognize
that even in the church the wheat and tares grow
together. God will purify His church at His appointed
time and if the church does not openly (as a world
church) cast aside the foundational teachings of
truth, we are to support and encourage what is right
within the church and speak up against what is wrong.
Blessings,
Pastor J. Ross
Thanks for your e-mail, I can understand your desire
for truth, as well as not being deceived by any church
or institution. In reference to the Seventh-day
Adventist church, there are leaders and even entire
churches that have and are acting out of harmony to
the message given to us by God through His Word
and by the Spirit of Prophecy. However, I firmly
believe that the Seventh-day Adventist church is still
the remnant church of Bible prophecy. Why do I say
that? Because the foundational doctrines of the
Seventh-day Adventist church are still solidly
founded upon the Bible and even though individuals,
pastors, and conference leaders might do contrary,
the doctrinal beliefs of this church are solid. We are
not Seventh-day Adventists because of what an
individual, conference or pastor says or does, but we
are Seventh-day Adventists because we stand in
agreement with the foundational principles of the
world church.
My encouragement to you is to place your
confidence not in the church but in Christ. Recognize
that even in the church the wheat and tares grow
together. God will purify His church at His appointed
time and if the church does not openly (as a world
church) cast aside the foundational teachings of
truth, we are to support and encourage what is right
within the church and speak up against what is wrong.
Blessings,
Pastor J. Ross
Email #2
Dear Struggling Adventist,
Thank you for writing. There is as much misinformation
as there is information available on the Internet, if not
more. The focus of this ministry is on making the truth
available.
The spiritual conditions in some parts of the church are
deplorable. But does a low spiritual tide provide biblical
reasons for a Christian to jump overboard? When Elijah
found himself out in the desert, God asked, “What are
you doing here?” God told him if he would see things
improve, he needed to stop running away from the
problems and get back to His people (1 Kings 17-19).
I want to encourage you that one can’t clean a house
from the outside. Those who leave the church lose their
influence to help reform the church. This is just what the
devil wants us to do. Faithful ones like Moses, Aaron,
Joshua and Caleb did not break off by themselves, but
stayed with their weaker, faithless brethren as they
returned to the wilderness. Not only did Moses stay with
them, God stayed with them, too (Testimonies to
Ministers, p. 46).
In spite of the fact that the same problems existed in the
denomination in Ellen White’s day, i.e. Worldliness,
lowering of standards, and elements of conference
corruption and financial irresponsibility, she remained a
tithe-paying, church-attending, name-on-the-books
member to her dying day (Selected Messages, vol. 3,
pg. 18).
It is true that there are things that aren’t right in the
church, but God has said that I wouldn't have to worry
about that. Rather, that He would take that into His own
hands! He says: “There is no need to doubt, to be
fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head
of the work, and He will set everything in order. If
matters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will
attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us
have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship
which bears the people of God safely into port”
(Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 390). Praise God!
Another: “We should remember that the church,
enfeebled and defective though it be, is the only object
on earth on which Christ bestows His supreme regard.
He is constantly watching it with solicitude, and is
strengthening it by His Holy Spirit” (Selected Messages,
vol. 2, p. 396).
“The church will yet see troublous times. … But
although she must meet heresies and persecutions,
although she must battle with the infidel and the
apostate, yet by the help of God she is bruising the
head of Satan. The Lord will have a people as true as
steel, and with faith as firm as the granite rock”
(Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 594, 595).
True, it’s not a perfect Church, the wheat and the tares
will grow up together until the end, and there is still a lot
of work to do, but let us focus on the good–those who
are working out their salvation “with fear and trembling,”
and endeavor to do the same. We will join you in
seeking God’s strength and direction. God bless you.
Warm Christian regards,
Doug Batchelor
President/Speaker
Amazing Facts Team
www.amazingfacts.org
Thank you for writing. There is as much misinformation
as there is information available on the Internet, if not
more. The focus of this ministry is on making the truth
available.
The spiritual conditions in some parts of the church are
deplorable. But does a low spiritual tide provide biblical
reasons for a Christian to jump overboard? When Elijah
found himself out in the desert, God asked, “What are
you doing here?” God told him if he would see things
improve, he needed to stop running away from the
problems and get back to His people (1 Kings 17-19).
I want to encourage you that one can’t clean a house
from the outside. Those who leave the church lose their
influence to help reform the church. This is just what the
devil wants us to do. Faithful ones like Moses, Aaron,
Joshua and Caleb did not break off by themselves, but
stayed with their weaker, faithless brethren as they
returned to the wilderness. Not only did Moses stay with
them, God stayed with them, too (Testimonies to
Ministers, p. 46).
In spite of the fact that the same problems existed in the
denomination in Ellen White’s day, i.e. Worldliness,
lowering of standards, and elements of conference
corruption and financial irresponsibility, she remained a
tithe-paying, church-attending, name-on-the-books
member to her dying day (Selected Messages, vol. 3,
pg. 18).
It is true that there are things that aren’t right in the
church, but God has said that I wouldn't have to worry
about that. Rather, that He would take that into His own
hands! He says: “There is no need to doubt, to be
fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head
of the work, and He will set everything in order. If
matters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will
attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us
have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship
which bears the people of God safely into port”
(Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 390). Praise God!
Another: “We should remember that the church,
enfeebled and defective though it be, is the only object
on earth on which Christ bestows His supreme regard.
He is constantly watching it with solicitude, and is
strengthening it by His Holy Spirit” (Selected Messages,
vol. 2, p. 396).
“The church will yet see troublous times. … But
although she must meet heresies and persecutions,
although she must battle with the infidel and the
apostate, yet by the help of God she is bruising the
head of Satan. The Lord will have a people as true as
steel, and with faith as firm as the granite rock”
(Testimonies, vol. 4, p. 594, 595).
True, it’s not a perfect Church, the wheat and the tares
will grow up together until the end, and there is still a lot
of work to do, but let us focus on the good–those who
are working out their salvation “with fear and trembling,”
and endeavor to do the same. We will join you in
seeking God’s strength and direction. God bless you.
Warm Christian regards,
Doug Batchelor
President/Speaker
Amazing Facts Team
www.amazingfacts.org
Hi Struggling Adventist,
First you are standing on dangerous ground. It is
like hanging out at a bar in a night club when you
don’t drink or dance. If you stay there you will be
soon participating in the drinking and dancing. That
website is there specifically to create and feed
doubts into those who do not have a solid grounding
on which to stand. It will destroy your faith in God
and what He has revealed to His people. To those
who think they stand take heed lest you fall. None
are safe when knowingly go into Satan's ground of
doubt and temptation.
I suggest that you spend you time to study the truth
of the church and the sources from EGW. Learn the
foundations for yourself. You do not have to refute
the fallacious arguments on that website. Seek God
and what He has given to us and you will be
strengthened.
This is the time of sifting the wheat from the tares.
You make the choice as to which one you will
become. If this is shaking your foundation,
concentrate on the foundation and leave the
shaking part. Of not it will shake you out of all that
you have known to be true.
Specific comments given below.
Bob Curtice
Software Development,
Amazing Facts / Bible University
First you are standing on dangerous ground. It is
like hanging out at a bar in a night club when you
don’t drink or dance. If you stay there you will be
soon participating in the drinking and dancing. That
website is there specifically to create and feed
doubts into those who do not have a solid grounding
on which to stand. It will destroy your faith in God
and what He has revealed to His people. To those
who think they stand take heed lest you fall. None
are safe when knowingly go into Satan's ground of
doubt and temptation.
I suggest that you spend you time to study the truth
of the church and the sources from EGW. Learn the
foundations for yourself. You do not have to refute
the fallacious arguments on that website. Seek God
and what He has given to us and you will be
strengthened.
This is the time of sifting the wheat from the tares.
You make the choice as to which one you will
become. If this is shaking your foundation,
concentrate on the foundation and leave the
shaking part. Of not it will shake you out of all that
you have known to be true.
Specific comments given below.
Bob Curtice
Software Development,
Amazing Facts / Bible University
Email #4
Email #3
Hi Struggling Adventist,
I can relate to what you are going through. I am 30
years old, born and raised SDA. At 17 I took a
detour into the world and tried everything that I
came across: drugs, music, girls. About 10 years
ago I came back into a relationship with Christ. After
getting baptized, some one gave me a book against
the Holy Spirit aka anti trinity stuff. It all made so
much sense. They had quotes from the pioneers.
They had a reason to toss out certain EGW quotes.
I almost totally swallowed this stuff except one thing
kept me back. The simple fact that this belief would
sweep me out of the church that I just got baptized
into. That really troubled me. I kept praying and
eventually a guy named BR Spears came along and
preached a powerful sermon on the topic and it put
my mind at rest. It made me realize how the devil
wasn't going to give up on me just because I got
baptized. There really is a device of Satan for every
mind out there. That brings me to another lesson
that the Lord has impressed me with. I read some
quote about how what we behold changes us. We
all know that, but we watch things anyways. We
don't understand what it does. We have enough
confidence in ourselves that it won't really have any
lasting effect on me. The Lord impressed me with
the idea of who do you think you are and what
makes you think you are above the council of SOP?
It comes down to pride. I have spent so much time
stuying stuff to prove other people wrong. I had too
much pride in my own abilities to figure out other
peoples errors not realizing that nothing will ever
change those peoples minds because of their own
pride.
I recommend just surrendering this stuff to Jesus
and moving on to something that feeds your soul!
Eric
I can relate to what you are going through. I am 30
years old, born and raised SDA. At 17 I took a
detour into the world and tried everything that I
came across: drugs, music, girls. About 10 years
ago I came back into a relationship with Christ. After
getting baptized, some one gave me a book against
the Holy Spirit aka anti trinity stuff. It all made so
much sense. They had quotes from the pioneers.
They had a reason to toss out certain EGW quotes.
I almost totally swallowed this stuff except one thing
kept me back. The simple fact that this belief would
sweep me out of the church that I just got baptized
into. That really troubled me. I kept praying and
eventually a guy named BR Spears came along and
preached a powerful sermon on the topic and it put
my mind at rest. It made me realize how the devil
wasn't going to give up on me just because I got
baptized. There really is a device of Satan for every
mind out there. That brings me to another lesson
that the Lord has impressed me with. I read some
quote about how what we behold changes us. We
all know that, but we watch things anyways. We
don't understand what it does. We have enough
confidence in ourselves that it won't really have any
lasting effect on me. The Lord impressed me with
the idea of who do you think you are and what
makes you think you are above the council of SOP?
It comes down to pride. I have spent so much time
stuying stuff to prove other people wrong. I had too
much pride in my own abilities to figure out other
peoples errors not realizing that nothing will ever
change those peoples minds because of their own
pride.
I recommend just surrendering this stuff to Jesus
and moving on to something that feeds your soul!
Eric
Email #5
Broken Adventist Ministry
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